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Changing main image[edit]

I think it is time to change the main image of the article, which is a DC-10 of Ariana, and has been in use for a long time. Since Biman is still the largest operator, we should a use a image of Biman. Here are some photos we can use below:

User:Ahnaaf (talk) 06:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Not sure we need to change the main image, I cant see any of those suggested being an improvement, usedf for a long time is not really a replacement criteria. MilborneOne (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixing the citation link[edit]

Thanks to editor Fnlayson for fixing the citation link for the Aeromexico Inflight Upset incident. Figuring out how to create those links properly, has always been a problem for me. Your help is much appreciated. EditorASC (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for the finding the source. I thought you might have the source available based on the text. That incident seems similar to Air France Flight 447, but with a much better ending. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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Yes, the similarity with the AF 447 tragedy, is why I found the Aeromexico near disaster to be highly notable. Sadly, too many accidents have been a direct result of the cockpit crew not comprehending their true situation, until it was too late. I have posted a partial list of such accidents on my talk page, thinking it might eventually be of some help to new editors who are researching pilot-error accidents. (01:44, 27 May 2013, UTC) EditorASC (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Discounting momentary lapses, the job of a pilot is to fly the aeroplane - all the time it is in the air - and it is an unfortunate fact that a number of accidents have occurred due to pilots seemingly not being aware of this. An aircraft may be on auto-pilot but the pilot is still expected to know both where he/she is, and where he/she is going. Always.
Similarly, the manufacturer puts in cockpit windows at often considerable expense and it is surprising how many accidents occur due to pilots not making good use of their only means of looking outside. Apart from the seemingly obvious benefit of allowing a pilot to see where he/she is going - a fairly important benefit - it also allows a crew member who can be bothered to get up out of his/her seat to check on the parts of the aircraft that are not visible to a seated crew member. And notice such items as missing or burning engines, damaged tail components, etc. If time and workload permits it is generally a good idea to get up and actually see if an engine fire as depicted by the instruments actually is an engine fire. It is also a good idea to listen to what a member of the cabin crew might be telling you as it may be quite important, e,g., "We are on fire!" Ignoring them and waiting until they return later and have modified the statement to a shouted "We are on f*****g-fire!" may by then be too late.
Accidents will happen and some accidents are not avoidable by a crew's actions, but flying is a discipline and it punishes mistakes at times, severely. Often the only difference between having an accident, and not having an accident, is simply knowing when to give up what you are trying to do, and do something else instead, e.g., land at another airport, or land immediately. Delivering one's passengers on time is little consolation if both you and they are all dead. Most good operators would prefer you and your passengers (and the aircraft) late but unharmed. Some operators might not know that yet, but after they've had an accident they will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.247.9 (talk) 10:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Last passenger flight[edit]

CNN reports that the last DC-10 passenger flight is scheduled for this month; perhaps worth adding? //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 12:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The last pax flight with Biman Bangladesh Airlines is already covered in the Operators section. I'll add that ref to the existing text though. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

New Infobox Picture[edit]

I would like to change this article's infobox picture to that of an American Airlines DC-10. As the DC-10 is, with some minor exceptions, a phased-out aircraft type, using the American Airlines picture would be of historical value as this is what the jet looked like when delivered to American, the type's launch customer, in 1973. I prefer the Number 2/

Image 2 Image 1

Spartan7W § 01:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

In limited service?[edit]

The previous description for this article listed the status of the DC-10 as "in service as cargo aircraft". Other aircraft listed as "in limited service", like the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar and the Boeing 707, have less than 5 airworthy frames each remaining. The DC-10 has about 60 frames in service for FedEx Express in the United States (although this represents about 90 percent of the DC-10s still in service). Should this be reverted back to its prior text? --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 02:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Agree I have changed it back. MilborneOne (talk) 09:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Possible Omission in DC-10 Article[edit]

The following event is not mentioned in: McDonnell Douglas DC-10 - Wikipedia, the free... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10

From the website: Fatal Plane Crashes and Significant Events for the DC10 www.airsafe.com/events/models/dc10.htm Cached

• 1 March 1978; Continental Airlines DC10-10; Flight 603; Los Angeles, CA: The aircraft was on a scheduled domestic flight from Los Angeles, CA to Honolulu, HI. The crew aborted the takeoff due to ruptured tires and were unable to keep the aircraft from running off the runway. The aircraft caught fire after coming to a stop, and the passengers and crew evacuated. All 14 crew members survived, but two of the 186 passengers were killed.

71.168.183.43 (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)Justin Kodner (kodner@verizon.net)

That is Continental Airlines Flight 603. It probably should have a summary entry here. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
If my memory serves me correctly, that was the last (retirement) flight of the captain of CAL 603. If anyone finds that mentioned in a WP:RS, I think it is notable enough to be included in the summary comments. EditorASC (talk) 04:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Similarity to 767 ?[edit]

The DC-10's fuselage is very much like that of a 767. Do they share a fuselage? According to Google, they both have turbofan engines as well. You should mention it on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.221.95 (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

No, not at all. Their fuselage widths and heights are very different. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

DC-10s in Museums /on display[edit]

Wouldn't it be important to have a section for any DC-10s that have been put on display? Looking up 'DC-10s in Museums' in Google only brings you articles on Biman's DC-10, and museums in Washington D.C..BrayLockBoy (talk) 20:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Aircraft on display is a normal aircraft section per WP:AIRMOS. Display entries can be added preferably with supporting sources. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Removed sentence about dishinguishment against competition[edit]

I'm not really sure what this sentence means. It was placed right before the description of the total number of aircraft made. "Eventually, the DC-10 was able to distinguish itself from its competitor with two engine options, as well as earlier introduction of longer-range variants than the L-1011." Perhaps someone could clean up and source that information, and place it back in an appropriate place. DouglasHeld (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Update: has been updated by Fnlayson and it is looking much better now. DouglasHeld (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Changing the picture[edit]

I am changing the picture to a different DC-10. The Airline was even TAKEN OVER BY THE TALIBAN. So no more of that picture. Hope you all like the new one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AviationLog (talkcontribs) 22:23, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

That's no reason to change a good photo. Please suggest a new photo here, and we can change it if others support it. - BilCat (talk) 22:45, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Also, in-flight images are preferred. - BilCat (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Operators[edit]

With KF Cargo (after losing the Purloator Canada contract to Cargojet) now having retired its two DC-10s, should the operators be changed now to have American Airlines (historical) as the fourth operator, or should Orbis Flight (the Flying Eye Hospital with a single DC-10-30 with a glass cockpit) be listed as the third active operator? --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I suspect with the small number of DC-10s now active that the list should now be changed to a list of historic operators based on total fleet sizes. MilborneOne (talk) 21:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
  • There should be multiple operators with 1 aircraft. So I don't think Orbis or other single aircraft operator should be listed. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:34, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox Picture[edit]

I feel like we should change the infobox picture. It's sorta stale. Trevor Casey (talk) 21:18, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "stale" it meets the criteria of showing the aircraft flying with preference for facing left. You are welcome to make a suggestion of a replacement image but I dont see anything wrong with the current image. MilborneOne (talk) 10:19, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea of what to suggest for a picture. Stale as in old.Trevor Casey (talk) 21:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Stale or old by itself is not a real meaningful criteria for changing the main image. It is difficult enough finding a good quality image that shows a good view of the whole aircraft for the Infobox. Check on Commons for DC-10 images and suggest any you think are better than what is in Infobox now. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

DC-10-30CF operated by Sabena[edit]

I flew in a DC-10-30CF operated by Sabena, in 1984, from Brussels to Kinshasa. Could Sabena be added as an operator of this aircraft?

Jeromeg52 (talk) 22:33, 20 May 2017 (UTC)JeromeG52

Sabena is already listed at List of McDonnell Douglas DC-10 operators as a former operator. The main DC-10 article deals with current and major operators. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Sabena is not listed as an operator of the CF variant.Jeromeg52 (talk) 00:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)JeromeG52

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Copied content from DFW Airport[edit]

For the record, per WP:NOATT, I am the sole author of the text recently copied from Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. Carguychris (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Accidents and incidents - Excessive detail[edit]

As the first two examples (American Airlines Flight 96 and Turkish Airlines Flight 981) directly relate to the cargo door design problem mentioned above, and describe subsequent modifications, I believe they should be left in. The rest could perhaps be moved to a dedicated page, as is the case for the Antonov An-12 --NthDegOp (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Splitting to a dedicated article could be too much, I was thinking about trimming the summary for each accident to 1 paragraph each, and moving the details in individual articles.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 07:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
You have a valid idea and I've gone ahead and done it with AA96 and UA232, but AA191 will be difficult to summarize in a single paragraph, because the summary actually discusses two separate but related topics: the crash itself, and the resultant withdrawal of the type certificate. Carguychris (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Done.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)